We have 21 locations and have Sold 201, ranging from $6995 to $92000. A W-31 is not the same as a big-block W-30, but it's still a real W-Machine with a fiberglass hood with functional ram air feeding a 325hp 350 purposely built by Oldsmobile for enthusiasts. Posts: 13 Thanks: 0. Properly tuned, a W-31 is fun to drive, but it isnt going to scare anyone. Chevrolet, Pontiac and Buick had been doing this and Olds joined the movement. Rated to produce 325 horsepower when new, the 350ci V8 featured an exclusive camshaft and connecting rods in W-31 trim as well as a Rochester Quadrajet carburetor, an aluminum intake manifold, and a low-restriction air cleaner assembly. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. The Ramrod 350 Cutlass appeared in 1968 and became the W31 in 1969. But what, exactly, was this car other than a Cutlass S two-door hardtop with a 350 under the striped hood? It became a model in its own right from 1968 to 1971, then reverted to an option through the mid-1970s. 209.151.232.218 Total 1970 Oldsmobile production was 633,980 vehicles. Just 500 were made, all four-speeds. This is not an easy restoration by any means, but as they say, the bones are there, I had a 1968 ramrod my junior year in high school 1980 bought it after I totaled my 71 Torino cobra I paid 1600 for the ramrod the same as I paid for my Torino . I really dont know which is more effective at forced air although I heard the early ones were good at inhaling lots of dirt, gravel as well. This particular vehicle was a professional build automatic T-400 with 12-bolt rear, factory cold air induction, factory Ram Air hood, 4-core radiator and disc brakes. have had a number of new and used cars, I found the Mercury Milan to have great styling, handled beautifully, and never broke down. While it is true these are limited number models, the cost to restore this after paying the asking price will put you upside down in a hurry. If not, that would also suggest the miles advertised are off by 100k. Also hood air induction and disc brakes are added. Its good to see that the W25 air induction scoops/air-cleaner are still present and hopefully functioning. Rating breakdown (out of 5): Comfort 5.0. A lot of people don't know that. Specs datasheet with technical data and performance data plus an analysis of the direct market competition of Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe W-31 4-speed wide ratio in 1970 the model with 2-door hardtop coupe body and V-8 5737 cm3 / 350.1 cui, 242.5 kW / 330 PS / 325 hp (SAE gross) offered since September 1969 for North America . Looks to be mostly complete and restorable but agree with the others about the mileage. "At the time, I was about the only Oldsmobile swap meet vendor around. There are a lot of nice finished muscle cars out there for less than $50K. This luxury model suffers from a. I think for under 10k worth of work you could have a really nice ride that would be a blast to drive and just be seen in!! I owned a 70 W-31 4-speed that was in much better condition than this car and sold it for about half of what the owner is asking for this car. There are 17 Oldsmobile Cutlass for sale across all model years (1961 to 1999) and variants, 8 are 3rd Gen and none are model year 1970 . It should be noted that only the 69 and 70 used a special W-31 coded Distributor. Admittedly this is a rare car, its documentation and understated nature is an attractive draw, but Im not sure about that price reasonable or a bit outsized? Auto manufactures, in some instances, started to offer smaller-engined/lower horsepower varieties as a counter move. It is a small-block screamer. Suspension with the W-31 package upgraded the front and rear coil-spring suspension to the FE2 heavy duty components This included special springs and tubular hydraulic shocks. Always question everything else the seller says when he wont do something basic like clutch replacement and his asking is so high. Standard equipment in the Porsche Macan is pretty generous all models come with LED headlights, front and rear parking sensors, DAB radio, triple-zone climate control, part-leather seats, 19-inch alloy wheels, electrically adjustable seats and power-folding mirrors. These models were equipped with the Hurst/Olds 455 package. It was obviously a 350/325hp car with all the options. As can be expected for a purpose-built machine, production numbers for the W-30 4-4-2s are quite low. would any one by chance have a pic of the ballancers they used or diameter, I havent checked cam but its got flat tops and the right size valves,currently have the#6 heads all re built and on my 72 cutlass 355. what do you think is this a w-31 ballancer ? Description from seller. With that being said, the asking price is ridiculous. The 1970 W-30 featured a 455 cubic inch 370 HP engine. A decent quality paint job without body work can easily cost $10k and up by itself. Everything you need to know about your car! The tach in the dash currently isnt the original OEM tic-toc-tach. Your CA Privacy Rights (Shine the Light) An N.O.S. (faster than 130). These cars are very rare and attract owners with erudite knowledge of Oldsmobile muscle. The G is the application key; for 1970 this trans would have been used in 4-4-2, W-32, or SX, but not a W-30. production date code (month/day), and a suffix code which identifies the engine. Sell your Oldsmobile Coupe with Gateway Classic Cars. Minore was there to authenticate the car, which we recently featured in Rare Finds ("More Than Just a Car," Sept. '15). Then in 1971, GM mandated a decree that said there had to be crush zones built into the fenders, so from 1971-1972, all fenders have built-in crush zones. The broadcast sheet lists a factory color of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) as well as the W-31 option. Believe it or not, the hardest things to find these days are N.O.S. If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. Who knows what else is wrong if the car cant be driven. An original 1970 W-30 car like the one I authenticated in Chicago [Beth Bimbi's Oldsmobile, "Mom's W-30," Feb. '16] is easy to authenticate. BaT Auction Success Story: Powering Up with a P90D, Spring Carlisle Collector Car Flea Market & Corral. Additional items accompanying the car include a Protect-O-Plate, owners manuals, and a vehicle history summary from the reported original owner, photos of which are provided in the gallery. During the period from 1968-1972 most Olds Cutlass buyers went with the V-8 series standard 350 cubic inch engine. Depending on the quality of the work the car may not even be worth it. The exterior of this Cutlass is fair. Sales began to drop and its a bit of a debate as to what the cause was. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. Sales receded to 920 W-30s for 1971 and just 772 for 1972. We would share knowledge about these cars with each other.". I don't have a lift, a compressor, or anything like that, just handtools. He can be reached by email at casamperformance@sbcglobal.net. No, they're not too common. Power's 2020 ranking of the most reliable brands. This car was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I'm currently in the process of working on a W-31 Authentication Guide and am hoping to have it published sometime next year. The outside air now came through the hood scoops and directly into the air cleaner. To be able to look at a picture of an original W-30 car from back in the day to reference something is priceless.". The 70 however, had an aluminum intake and #6 heads. Oldsmobile people would actually go just to look for me. We stumbled onto this decrepit screaming yellow zonker during a waltz through Sendell's Auto Specialties in Shelbyville, N.C. (704/434-6759), a GM-centric salvage yard specializing in 1962 through 1988 models. A full-size spare wheel with a Goodyear tire is located in the trunk. If everything checked out, then negotiation would definitely occur to the satisfaction of both parties. Missed updates will be sent once your connection has been reestablished. Interior and a lot of the body tells me that. Oldsmobile Division only made 500 of those cars, and all of them were four-speeds. The all-new Turbo GT model is at the top of the model range. For more info, read about our auctions or email us with any questions. Location: On plate attached to top left dash board. The grilles on a 1970 W-31 are very hard to find, but they did come on four-door cars, station wagons, and Cutlass S cars. Unfortunately, everything that makes it a W-31 can be bolted to any 350 Olds motor, so without a build sheet and matching VIN derivative on the block, there is no way to know with absolute certainty. The engine balancer is big and as rare as hen's teeth. You've always got to be on the lookout for things like that, especially when you're looking at these high end cars. If the passenger side is rusted (front fender, rocker, quarter) you can be pretty certain the drivers side is just as bad. In 1970, Oldsmobile Division came out with an aluminum W-31 intake similar to the one used on the W-30s and made by the same foundry. It's easy! Click to reveal What does it take to build a 911? For those hardcore Oldsmobile W-Series collectors, they will know what a truly special car this is, more specifically, the engine. Look at the drivers door closeup showing the GM label, there is paint overspray there as well. This 1970 Cutlass S is a Nugget Gold Metallic hardtop that was first sold at Tapper Chevrolet-Oldsmobile in Montpelier, Idaho, and it reportedly remained with its original owner until 2018 and now shows 75k miles. 1970 Oldsmobile vehicle identification number (vin) decoder. In J.D. Sitting in the passenger seat, peering out over that ram-air hood, I was totally corrupted and have been ever since.". Clarke..American Muscle Cars: A Full-Throttle History by Darwin Holmstrom and Tom Glatch. I always wonder why they stopped making this model. Additional factory equipment includes a six-blade fan and a N10 dual-exhaust system. Kids with heads full of Hendrix, Joplin, and Dr. Leary took the wheel of high-horsepower youth machines for the first time everwith often tragic consequences. Minore points out the flat ridge found only on the fenders of 1970 Oldsmobiles. The car was ordered with the W-31 package and is powered by a numbers-matching 350ci V8 paired with a three-speed automatic transmission. Production was very low. Our featured automobile is the 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31. World's fastest mass-produced sedan with a top speed of 203 mph. What are the production numbers for a f85 W31? Believe it or not, the. Only 113 W30 convertibles and 659 W30 coupes were made in 1972, making this a very rare option. The next two numbers afterwards should decode . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Please enable JavaScript to engage in the discussion on this site. Why don't you do something like drafting for a living? When you bid we pre-authorize your credit card for the service fee (this helps prevent fraud). These models were equipped with the Pace Car package. I agree with both of the above comments 100%. Sort of like Woodstock, a big experiment. It looked and sounded like it was a W-30, but it was a Cutlass W-31. It was designed as a sportier high end F-85. Average new car price was $3,000. Show of hands, has anyone ever owned or driven a W-31 Cutlass and what was it like? It boils down to the fact Oldsmobile product planners toed the corporate line restricting engine displacement to 330 cubic inches. 50 years of rust hiding who knows where, may sink a sale, upon close up inspection. 1962 Chevrolet Corvette4 days$33,750Bid Now, 1978 Chevrolet Corvette5 days$2,100Bid Now, 1971 Lincoln Continental Mark III6 days$2,750Bid Now, 1961 Volkswagen Samba Deluxe 23-Window8 days$100Bid Now. Of the above 442 production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. If you want the purist 911 experience for the least amount of money, The GT3 RS, which joins the lineup this year, gets tuned up to, Price: 2022 Porsche 911 pricing starts at $101,200 and can reach. The ad does not state which 4-Speed was offered, M-20 or M-21. In spite of the clutch being shot, its not too tough a job to replace. I have been able to amass a database for 1970 W-30 four-speed and automatic cars. California Notice at Collection . Certain things get painted over. His cousin Pete Chillemi owned a 1972 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 four-speed car, red with white stripes. The manufacturer estimates that about 200 Taycan cars cannot be built per day. There is a lot more than 49,000 miles on it. The W-30 was an option of the Olds 442, while the W-31 was an option on the Cutlass. In a photo taken in 1999, Minore proudly poses with his gold with black stripes 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31. Congratulations! The 1970 Oldsmobile W-Machines (W-30, W-31), all manufactured in Lansing, Michigan are considered to be the ultimate Oldsmobile Super Cars. This code conlsists of a prefix letter (330 V8=T(1964-65) or W(1966-67), 400 V8 = V), then a production sequence number, followed by a suffix eode letter (L = Low compresdon, E = 2-bbl It was the body number, which matched the one on his cowl tag. Copyright 2023 FortranFAQ.Com All rights reserved, The worldwide production will be limited to. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Made with for Muscle Cars - Musclecarfacts.com Copyright 2023. Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31s assembled in 1970 across all body styles. Rare Fully Restored 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 Coupe :: 1 Year Production, Only 3,547 Produced, Powered by Numbers Matching 350ci 310hp V8 Engine, 700R4 Overdrive Transmission, Sebring Primo Classics International LLC Bid for the chance to own a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Hardtop W-31 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Thanks to Adam F for this tip! 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 1970 CUTLASS SUPREME COUPE REBUILT 455 V8 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION 442 TRIBUTE BEAUTIFUL BLACK PA . A road less traveled. The following year the car was changed to the W-31. How hard would it be to change out the clutch or even rebuild the tranny for that $22k ask? RULES: No profanity, politics, or personal attacks. Jimmy, already a W-31 owner, informed Andy that his 1970 Oldsmobile was a W-31. When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. I became involved with the W-31s after I went to the 1993 Oldsmobile Nationals in Somerset, New Jersey. Specifications listing with the performance factory data and . Andy was asking for information about how to fix the harmonic balancer on the 350 in his 1970 Cutlass, a detail Jimmy recognized as "a rare part that only came on the W-31 cars.". A number of Honda Accords have experienced excessive oil consumption. This is the VIN stamp on a W-30 engine block. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's easy to tell if one of these cars ever got into an accident. I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure joe_padavano Members 5.9k Location: Northern VA AACA #: 914844 Other Clubs: Oldsmobile Club of America Posted June 18, 2010 The transmission in a W-30 would have an OW. Find new and used 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass classic cars for sale near you by classic car dealers and private sellers on Classics on Autotrader. This month, we've stumbled onto a very special Oldsmobile that was meant to throw the insurance man a curve. This rare and beautiful 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 is now available from MaxMotive. While W-31 is down on engine displacement, the power is no different than a 68 Oldsmobile 442 with an automatic transmission so whether this serves as a high insurance premium salve or not, it is hard to say. 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'S' Sports Coupe W31 #5 02-18-2023, 07:06 PM tom M. Junior Member : Join Date: Aug 2019. And further inspection may reveal other things to use when dickering the price down. The seller acquired the car in April 2021, and subsequent work is said to have included installation of a Bluetooth-capable stereo, performing an alignment, servicing of the power steering system, and replacement of the shocks and tires. The stripes are poorly done, not even close to the factory style. The large O in the upper left corner of this TH400 transmission tag tells you it's for an Oldsmobile, while the 70 in the lower left corner denotes the 1970 model year. These cars have a lot of rare engine parts on them, Minore says, including carburetors that were W-31 specific. I had a 72 Cutlass Supreme, had a 4 barrel carbshe was slow on takeoff, but I had her pegged past 130 on speedometer. There really is no book that I can pull out and unequivocally say this is the way it was done. It is located in Cleveland, Ohio, and available here on craigslist for $22,500. Sign up for a new account in our community. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Very rare car in restorable condition. Guest tonycutlass Also, I would imagine that this W-31s road manners are pretty enjoyable, owing to a smaller displacement engine, with a stout horse-power rating and running through a manual transmission. Oldsmobile had beat out both Pontiac and Plymouth to be the number 3 best selling brand in the U.S. behind Chevrolet and Ford. Nope. On a true four-speed car, you'll see the slag on the edges of the opening. 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 Collector Values. If so please use the bidding box above. It's clean work, and you have a natural talent for it.". My inspection would be an all-day affair, so the fee would be in the neighborhood of $1,000. The BMW S85 is a naturally aspirated V10 petrol engine which replaced the BMW S62 V8 engine in the M5 model and was produced from 20052010. The BaT Service Fee is 5% of the bid, with a minimum of $250 up to a maximum of $5,000. Can I look at it?' Much appreciate the deep dive on the details, very helpful! If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. While repairs tend to be more severe than average, the number of those issues is low, so, The extra power of the Turbo S can see it get from, The annual maintenance cost of a 2011 Porsche Panamera is. All W-31 engines were select fit, simply meaning that they were blueprinted from the factory. Stephen's company is called Cas-Am Performance. Sitting at the top of our list is the Porsche Cayenne with an impressive 84.2% retained retail value after three years. Engine upgrades included the use of what's become known as the 308 camshaft, which was actually the unit's duration; the camshaft also touted .474-inch lift and an intake/exhaust valve overlap of 82 degrees. It is laughable that this somewhat unusual Cutlass is being sold on Craigslist. What makes the W-31 the car it is, is Oldsmobile 325 HP, 350 CI, V8 engine. The base gear box for the Olds W-Machines is a fully synchronized, floor-shifted, heavy-duty three-speed manual. Or subscribe without commenting. These Oldsmobile press photos of the then-new 1968 4-4-2 were taken in April 1967 by Petersen Publishing's Bob D'Olivo. Starting around 1967, automobile insurance companies started premium surcharges on cars with outsized horsepower or low curb weight to power ratios.