Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. But there were no other pastors. How in the world can they ever learn the names of their people. People want to belong. Does not. Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. @ Law Prof: Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. I dont know Platt. My husband and I attended the Sunday school class in one church but attended services in another. Sometimes because of past hurts in churches, when I go to a church service, I just want to be an anonymous person who sits in the back. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: I also think its something all Christians should aspire toward, though I do believe all Christians are equal priests in a priesthood lead by Jesus. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. ____ But some people now say that if only we would forget church buildings and just meet in individual homes then that (and apparently only that) would be biblical. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. And that was his only job then. Its like a code for the party apparatus, comrade. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV. It is a sad fact of mega-church psychology that people like to be associated with stars. Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. And they are extremely popular with Baptist pastors, but most Baptists have no idea they even exist. The Anyabwiles can draw a bigger crowd? The lure of preaching reminds me a great deal of Solomons adulterous woman in Proverbs 7, luring a simple youth to his destruction. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf Their incorporation into 501c3 could have serious consequences for them if they are preaching against government legislation (eg. McLean Bible Church was obviously looking for a high profile name to be their teaching pastor. The early church did without them for centuries, and was pretty effective. I wholeheartedly agree with this: Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. ___ Or a CEO or accountant looking at the budget and deciding youre too expensive. We are human beings not human doings. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. Zechzav wrote: @ AnonInNC: David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. One guy is not so indispensable and amazing that we need a video feed of him; it can be done by a real person in the location. Over time, academies can develop an ethos that they are the repositories of knowledge, and then act as if they are above or outside the purview of the Church. Sopy, youve been too long on the mushrooms I think. I had often wondered whether they just liked to hear themselves speak? This is odd to me. Something is amiss. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. He is extremely casual in his attire and can come across *not put together. To shepherd is literally to feed. Also, the church scattered (during the week) is where much evangelism and service takes place, because they have just been fed on Gods great love. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card which translated into plain English means I have a better job offer and this is your notice. They cannot fire him and they cannot say God did not call him, either because Unspiritual. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. That s not how it works. He had an 8 week hiatus in July and August, nice work if you can get it. So the calling from God to be your pastor is really? What does this mean? I attended McLean Bible for about 4 years starting in 2000 and it certainly wasnt Neo Cal then. I think the answer lies in two seemingly unrelated things sometime ~1997 when 9Marks took off and when SGM became Reformed. C.J. gained entrance to the respectable theologians club, and Dever gained a proven marketing program. In some cases, a speech impediment Most pastor positions are salaried. Its much better to have the Holy Spirit glory Christ in me, than I trying to be intentional about it. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. But there were no other pastors. April 2004. By loving them we glorify God because God is love. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? He is not taking a salary. In the circles described here, the same can be said of job-titles ending in pastor; you get the honour and privileges of ministry, without the price and responsibility. I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. than I do . Lift up your voice mightily, O Christian, bearer of Jesus good news; lift it up, do not fear. But then, I do suppose that the super-righteous could limit the crowd to only those who think alike-or like them or something, based on no room in the house. Other businesses in the area complained that the Coffee House was not a legitimate church service because it was designed to attract young people and compete with their businesses. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions. I hate that. Still, he remained there 8 years and was sent off to the IMB with cheers and praise. While I dont know the names of even regulars, I probably recognize them, nor are we allowed (if we follow the church guidelines) to say names.) Ones talents, skills, personality are all part of that, and you do not have to suddenly come out of your introvert cocoon to become an extrovert Pied Piper. But the key is it gives that to the church, not to some supposed superChristian known as the pastor whom we pay to be the shaman and do OUR jobs. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? i think most pastors are trained (whether by others or by self) to feel justified in being the recipient of tax breaks. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. Church Discipline Id be very interested. A lot of replies sound speculative . I offer this link to Lon Solomons 2017 letter to the congregation where he announces stepping down as senior and teaching pastor. Shouldnt we all be spending time with Christ, studying? How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? In a TWW postEd Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, Stetzerexplained what he didand didnot do as a bi-vocational pastor. As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. I may be reading too much into your comments. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. What never ceases to amaze me is that many who know that do not care as long as they get to participate in the fantasy! We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: Its true that not everyone likes it, but many people do. Yes, a traveling speaker seems like a much better productive role for him but we are just the uneducated layman of the church body, what do we know? I could add philosophy of ministry as well. I actually did. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. I am thankful to a special friend who invited me to take acourse on Pastoral Leadership offered by a conservative seminary. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. Washing disciples feet delegate. I dont remember exactly who was there, but I remembered wondering how they could fill their other responsibilities and who was footing the bill. To understand him better, read his book Radical. This phrase lacks, IMHO, just a single e. Could you comment on that? my view is that The meetings are usually an hour long. Smyth started preaching at CLC on January 8, 2017. I wonder when they will roll it out. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? After reading your comments I was deeply discouraged, wow this man must be seriously egotistical and really has no heart for the church body. (The Marriott or Hilton, I cant recall which) Dave Furman, pastor at Redeemer Church of Dubai (the sponsor of the event) went along with the charade and was one of several who were filmed with their faces blackened to hide their identity as they were interviewed. But if somebody puts out substance I will sit on the pew and put money in the plate and forgive an awful lot to get it. David Joseph Platt is an American evangelical Baptist pastor. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. Being precedes doing, and that doing of mission also requires the Holy Spirit. The father. Paul talks about the fellowship of His sufferings. It is also a biological code. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. One is an outgrowth of the other. They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc. This is a predicate. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. its high time for change. * More amazing is members will do so. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. David is no Paul. Mahaney was never a Calvinist, much the same as these New Calvinists arent either. You want to be a prima donna with a weekend gig? But the body is more than church life, and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. Parkinsons Law (Wiki article here for any Wartburgers at a loose end with 5 minutes to spare). My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. 7). Different people; different needs. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? Thanks Grad. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? Where is my intentionality in all that? This plague has even crossed the Atlantic and come to the UK. Law Prof wrote: Paul instructed Timothy to give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching (1 Tim 4:13); to take pains with these things, be absorbed in them, to pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching, and persevere in these things. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. On August 27, 2014, Platt spoke with Baptist media representatives in a telephone press conference: Brandon Pickett of Virginia asked Platt about taking full-time role as the president of the IMB and transitioning out as a pastor., Im going to preach at Brook Hills for the next three Sundays.after I finish preaching at Brook Hills.my full energies will shift to full-on IMB.Sept. I bought my house and they promptly jacked up what it supposedly was worth. ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. Now we have Didasko. And therein lies the rub. He looks nothing like David Platt. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. While many take much pride in their pastor title I would be embarrassed at the current level of absurdity. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. Its the wrong place for them and they ought to go out and look for a better fitnot quotes from the letter, but a general impression I have retained from reading that Mailbag article a few years ago. Rather than whole-wheat flour with all its bran and uneven texture, enriched bleached white flour makes a uniform product and its cheaper and plentiful from corporate granaries that have their own juggernaut marketing and distribution channels. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. (Yet Mahaney refers to the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours it takes to prepare sermon!) Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. He said "Bill, this is Christ's body, broken for you." He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. Abandoning the Arnold Smartarse joke for a moment (! The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. However, I can tell you as a senior pastor type that its hard to find the funding to hire enough pastors to make that a reality. Jesus refereed to shepherds and called Himself a shepherd a number of times. I loved hearing Todd Phillips and Ken Baugh preach. He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. I see you met the pastor at my former church. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. Sadly yes the FIEC has become the beachhead for T4G/TGC and the 9Marxist groups. When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. My guess is they are already intertwined in more ways than folks might understand. One reason that have always respected Billy Graham is because he knew that he was called to be an Evangelist not a Pastor. I have been hearing from a few folks. Maybe not. One could have successful ministry (cast out demons, heal, & build numerical flocks), yet be told to depart for He never knew you (Matt. 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